Comments on: The Earth…Was The Designer Loaded? http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/ Coniuratio compatiens Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:02:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Scott Wyatt http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-259 Scott Wyatt Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:11:21 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-259 To Greg: I took your advice, and checked out Romans 8:19-22. Then, on a whim, I looked at what was before it and what was after it. The question arises: What could this possibly have to do with the subject at hand? [12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. [18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. [19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. [23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. [24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? I could have just quoted the scriptures that you mentioned, and made the same point, but I know better than to take what "scripture quoters" have to say at face value. So, what do the verses that you quoted have to do with the subject at hand (assuming, of course, that you are willing to ignore the before and after verses, being the word of God, and all that). To Greg: I took your advice, and checked out Romans 8:19-22. Then, on a whim, I looked at what was before it and what was after it. The question arises: What could this possibly have to do with the subject at hand?

[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
[17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

I could have just quoted the scriptures that you mentioned, and made the same point, but I know better than to take what “scripture quoters” have to say at face value.

So, what do the verses that you quoted have to do with the subject at hand (assuming, of course, that you are willing to ignore the before and after verses, being the word of God, and all that).

]]> By: kingprout http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-249 kingprout Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:12:14 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-249 don't joke, great old one - there are those who believe that very thing. don’t joke, great old one – there are those who believe that very thing.

]]> By: cthulhu http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-237 cthulhu Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:09:09 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-237 The Earth used to be flat, was the center of the universe, and the sun used to revolve around it. But the fall changed all that. The Earth used to be flat, was the center of the universe, and the sun used to revolve around it. But the fall changed all that.

]]> By: jlogajan http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-236 jlogajan Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:17:43 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-236 Clearly the Fjords were designed by Slartibartfast. Anyone can see that. Clearly the Fjords were designed by Slartibartfast. Anyone can see that.

]]> By: Placozoan http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-235 Placozoan Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:39:11 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-235 Some of these factors are due to plate tectonics, which while messy and often fatal for those humans who get in the way, have an important role in mountain-building (so we don't end up even more under water!) and element recycling. I don't know much about planet formation, but I don't know if it would be possible for a planet to support us if it didn't have this amount of sea coverage. I guess my question would be why didn't God make a universe that could support life in a more organized and aesthetically pleasing manner? I'm sure messing with the initial variables could manage such a thing. Another note, in the book of Revelation the new earth is described as having no sea. I've never found this appealing, personally. There's so much interesting stuff under the sea, and so much interesting stuff along its shores. At any rate, if God is supposed to be able to create a planet that has no sea to support immortal life, one would think he would be able to manage less sea coverage on this one. Some of these factors are due to plate tectonics, which while messy and often fatal for those humans who get in the way, have an important role in mountain-building (so we don’t end up even more under water!) and element recycling. I don’t know much about planet formation, but I don’t know if it would be possible for a planet to support us if it didn’t have this amount of sea coverage. I guess my question would be why didn’t God make a universe that could support life in a more organized and aesthetically pleasing manner? I’m sure messing with the initial variables could manage such a thing.

Another note, in the book of Revelation the new earth is described as having no sea. I’ve never found this appealing, personally. There’s so much interesting stuff under the sea, and so much interesting stuff along its shores. At any rate, if God is supposed to be able to create a planet that has no sea to support immortal life, one would think he would be able to manage less sea coverage on this one.

]]> By: midwifetoad http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-234 midwifetoad Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:31:13 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-234 I never really understood the fall. I'm sure there is some twisted form of apologetics that can cover it, but I've seen so many contradictory arguments that I question the sanity of those who try. Let's face it, religions based on "The Book" assume God is quite capable of creating and managing an eternal retirement community. Why the visible universe -- inhabited for a few decades at a time -- is so cruddy, is a mystery. Then there's the positively Darwinian concept of separating the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff. What's that all about? Is heaven reserved for the spiritual equivalent of the Nordic Race? I never really understood the fall. I’m sure there is some twisted form of apologetics that can cover it, but I’ve seen so many contradictory arguments that I question the sanity of those who try.

Let’s face it, religions based on “The Book” assume God is quite capable of creating and managing an eternal retirement community. Why the visible universe — inhabited for a few decades at a time — is so cruddy, is a mystery.

Then there’s the positively Darwinian concept of separating the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff. What’s that all about? Is heaven reserved for the spiritual equivalent of the Nordic Race?

]]> By: Central Archivist http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-233 Central Archivist Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:15:03 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-233 I think he's pointing out that theology CANNOT cover the subject of the physical world with any relevance. It was the religious types that tried to bring their views into the realm of science and this is just a rebuttal to that. I think he’s pointing out that theology CANNOT cover the subject of the physical world with any relevance. It was the religious types that tried to bring their views into the realm of science and this is just a rebuttal to that.

]]> By: Greg http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-232 Greg Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:13:58 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-232 The biblical answer to this is that the "fall" affected nature and the world as well. Rom. 8:19-22, if you care to look it up. You guys don't like it when we theists "dabble" in science. So, be consistent, and steer clear of theology. The biblical answer to this is that the “fall” affected nature and the world as well. Rom. 8:19-22, if you care to look it up.

You guys don’t like it when we theists “dabble” in science. So, be consistent, and steer clear of theology.

]]> By: Long Cut http://blog.darwincentral.org/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/comment-page-1/#comment-230 Long Cut Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:52:57 +0000 http://www.darwincentral.org/blog/2006/09/23/the-earthwas-the-designer-loaded/#comment-230 Sorry for the typos. I blame the wine and a long day at work. Sorry for the typos. I blame the wine and a long day at work.

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