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	<title>Comments on: Expelled to XVIVO: Up Yours!</title>
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		<title>By: The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Big Lie &#187; To Hell With Expelled Revisited</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Big Lie &#187; To Hell With Expelled Revisited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: To Hell with Expelled! &#171; Dinosaurs and The Bible: A Creationist&#8217;s Fairy Tale</title>
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		<dc:creator>To Hell with Expelled! &#171; Dinosaurs and The Bible: A Creationist&#8217;s Fairy Tale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PvM</title>
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		<dc:creator>PvM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.expelledexposed.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Expelled Exposed&lt;/a&gt; exposes the flaws of the Movie Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com" rel="nofollow">Expelled Exposed</a> exposes the flaws of the Movie Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed</p>
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		<title>By: Don Read</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; &gt; Also, I know for a fact that they have one of the best intellectual property attorneys in the business&lt;/i&gt;
Casey Luskin, Seth Cooper, or maybe even the hero of Dover, Wendell Bird?

Laughs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> &gt; Also, I know for a fact that they have one of the best intellectual property attorneys in the business</i><br />
Casey Luskin, Seth Cooper, or maybe even the hero of Dover, Wendell Bird?</p>
<p>Laughs!</p>
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		<title>By: BW022</title>
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		<dc:creator>BW022</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this is (yet) an &quot;Up Yours!&quot; to XVIVO. They are not responding to the letter specifically, but rather to &#039;question have been raised&#039;. They still have the opportunity to not release on April 18th or to not include the footage in it. The notice was pretty carefully worded such that they actually aren&#039;t saying that they aren&#039;t in fact guilty of what XVIVOs letter claims.

It doesn&#039;t look like Premise has a hope in heck of defending themselves against this one. They&#039;re is no way they are going to have a ton of paper-work, DVDs, science papers, scientists, graphic arts folks, production notes, supercomputer receipts, etc. showing that they independently modeled and produced this. The question is always going to come down to &quot;Then how did you know to model it this way if you didn&#039;t model it?&quot; Even if they somehow could prove they modelled it... one would have to ask why their segment has the same camera angles, structures, proteins, atomic motion, etc.? Why they left out the same proteins and included others. Even then, they have to answer why both segments include the same errors.

Dembski&#039;s statements are opinion - since he doesn&#039;t have any direct knowledge of Premise. It would only be damming if discovery showed that he did have direct knowledge or contact with them on this topic. At which point, his own copyright issues on the same film would come in.

I don&#039;t see how Premise can release. It would take less than a couple of months for a judge to shut down the film while the copyright issue is sorted out, I doubt many theatres would touch this in the meantime, and fines are for every showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this is (yet) an &#8220;Up Yours!&#8221; to XVIVO. They are not responding to the letter specifically, but rather to &#8216;question have been raised&#8217;. They still have the opportunity to not release on April 18th or to not include the footage in it. The notice was pretty carefully worded such that they actually aren&#8217;t saying that they aren&#8217;t in fact guilty of what XVIVOs letter claims.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t look like Premise has a hope in heck of defending themselves against this one. They&#8217;re is no way they are going to have a ton of paper-work, DVDs, science papers, scientists, graphic arts folks, production notes, supercomputer receipts, etc. showing that they independently modeled and produced this. The question is always going to come down to &#8220;Then how did you know to model it this way if you didn&#8217;t model it?&#8221; Even if they somehow could prove they modelled it&#8230; one would have to ask why their segment has the same camera angles, structures, proteins, atomic motion, etc.? Why they left out the same proteins and included others. Even then, they have to answer why both segments include the same errors.</p>
<p>Dembski&#8217;s statements are opinion &#8211; since he doesn&#8217;t have any direct knowledge of Premise. It would only be damming if discovery showed that he did have direct knowledge or contact with them on this topic. At which point, his own copyright issues on the same film would come in.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how Premise can release. It would take less than a couple of months for a judge to shut down the film while the copyright issue is sorted out, I doubt many theatres would touch this in the meantime, and fines are for every showing.</p>
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		<title>By: RWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s who I meant. I want to see him and Jon Huntsman run for the Republican ticket in &#039;12. Then the IDiots will have nowhere to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s who I meant. I want to see him and Jon Huntsman run for the Republican ticket in &#8216;12. Then the IDiots will have nowhere to go!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judge John E. Jones III?</description>
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		<title>By: RWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, if this goes to court, maybe this time we’ll get a solidly conservative judge appointed by President Bush, rather than some ACLU loving liberal.&lt;/i&gt;

Like Judge John Roberts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, if this goes to court, maybe this time we’ll get a solidly conservative judge appointed by President Bush, rather than some ACLU loving liberal.</i></p>
<p>Like Judge John Roberts?</p>
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