From Reuters, Via ERV, We receive news that the Turkish creationist writer has been convicted of “creating an illegal organization for personal gain.”
Oktar [aka Harun Yahya] had been tried with 17 other defendants in an Istanbul court. The verdict and sentence came after a previous trial that began in 2000 after Oktar, along with 50 members of his foundation, was arrested in 1999.
In that court case, Oktar had been charged with using threats for personal benefit and creating an organization with the intent to commit a crime. The charges were dropped but another court picked them up resulting in the latest case.
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Oktar, born in 1956, is the driving force behind a richly funded movement based in Turkey that champions creationism, the belief that God literally created the world in six days as told in the Bible and the Koran.
It makes one wonder why prominent creationists continually end up on the wrong side of the law…
“It makes one wonder why prominent creationists continually end up on the wrong side of the law…”
It’s their superior morality.
Adnan Oktar has utterly exposed and scientifically demolished the sinister fairy-tale called evolution and the disasters it has visited on humanity and continues to do (the survival of the fittest, big fish eats little fish in capitalist economies and might is right (unofficial imperialism) mentality foisted on the masses from very early on in education system etc etc
The guy has caused such waves in academic circles with his amazing Atlas of Creation (that has placed the deception of evolution out in the open)that the Masons have decided that enough is enough.
They are sick and tired of his being allowed to operate freely in Masonically-controlled secular Turkey and hence the reason for his recent sentencing to 3 years in jail for alleged financial irregularities.
But it is too late, his work is out in the open and no one who comes across the nonsence that is evolution can sincerely believe in it any longer. It will become clear to people that it is a deception kept “alive” by propaganda.
The myth that Religion and science cannot co-exist has been exposed and utterly refuted.
If we were really in a democratic system, WHY do they not allow Creationism and Darwinism to be taught alongside eachother and make children make up their own minds to where the truth lies.
It is obvious why not, as fear that people on mass would abandon the consumer/materialist game and return to God utterly grips them. The recent reactions to the Atlas of Creation and the troubles Adnan Oktar finds himself in are a stunning example of how unjust it is.
There is no doubt that it is truly a disgraceful deception but truth always stands firm and overcomes falsehood no matter the attempts of those to whom it causes graet discomfort.
THE QU’RAN WHICH IS THE LAST AND FINAL REVELATION/GUIDANCE TO MANKIND PROVES THAT GOD EXISTS AND THAT IT IS HIS WORD
Who says so?
ADMISSIONS OF NON-MUSLIM SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES ON: SCIENCEISLAM.COM
AND NO VERBAL ACROBATICS OR REFERRING TO COWBOY SOURCES OR SITES
CAN CHANGE THAT. IT IS A VAIN AND FUTILE ENDEAVOUR
The French Scientist of French Academy of Science Dr Maurice Bucaille ifor eg shows this in his book:
The Bible , the Qu’ran and Science examined in the light of Modern Knowledge
A Christian Dr William Campbell (Usa) wrote an attempted refutation of this book and then challenged live in Chicago 2000 Dr Zakir Naik (India) in a dialogue on:
THE QU’RAN AND THE BIBLE IN THE LIGHT OF SCIENCE – watch how Zakir Naik exposes the many clear-cut errors of the Bible and successfully defends the unassailable Qu’ran.
He has also done two other lectures on the subject:
The Qu’ran and Modern Science, compatable or incompatable?
Is the Qu’ran the God’s word?
These are just a few examples of many people who had heard about the scientific aspects of the Qu’ran and it’s total agreement with ESTABLISHED scientific facts and purposefully learned Arabic to verify it for themselves before confirming that it is indeed the truth.
LITTLE WONDER THEN THAT ISLAM CONTINUES TO BE THE FASTING SPREADING RELIGION (including significantly many people high up in society eg doctors, scientists , engineers etc) as it is the only scripture which has no mistakes, contradictions or scientific errors in it.
As for the theory of evolution, it is pointless to keep debating about it any longer because any sincere hearted person can see that it is a fairy tale kept “alive” by deception and propaganda for ideological concerns (materialism) which is an important tool for the agenda of the architects of the current Secular World secular Order i.e The Freemasons
And before doughnuts start dismissing it as some fanciful conspiracy which has been made up DO SOME RESEARCH INTO THE SUBJECT – eg see Harun Yayha’s Global Freemasonry
For more detail to see how evolutionists engage in propaganda and deceive the public see the following:
The Dark of Darwinism – How Darwinists twist the truth to turn people away from God
A Definitive Reply to evolutionist Propaganda
To keep upto-dated see: Darwinism-watch.co
The fabrication of the myth that Religion and Science cannot co-exist has been fully exposed, refuted and demolished.
It is only awaiting for it’s official announcement on the mainstream which will soon be happening God Willing as:
(1) Many people who have come to know of the deception of evolution have abandoned believing in it eg in US and Europe.
(2) Those who still “believe” in it are not doing so SINCERELY but clinging to it in vain out of sentimental insistance and stubbornness. They do not want to abandon their atheism and adherence to their wishful-thinking.
Unfortunately they are in submission to their whims and desires rather than their Creator – a foolish choice indeed when one considers that the evidence against them is solid and that they are going to die one day.
IT IS MOST HUMILIATING FOR A PERSON WHEN HE KNOWS:
(1)HE IS IN THE WRONG
(2) KNOWS THAT OTHERS KNOW THAT HE IS IN THE WRONG AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THEN THAT:
(3) IF ONE DIES IN SUCH A STATE, HOW CAN HE DENY OR EXPECT THAT HE DESERVES ANYTHING APART FROM GOOD HAPPENING TO HIM AFTERWARDS?
AS FOR SOME MISTAKES IN THE ATLAS, SO WHAT? THE REST OF THE HUNDREDS OF EXAMPLES ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO CLEARLY SHOW THAT EVOLUTION IS A FAIRY-TALE.
ADNAN OKTAR WITH IMMENSE STYLE AND CLASS SENT THE BOOK ALL OVER THE PLACE. DO YOU THINK A FEW MISTAKES IN A 700 PAGE BOOK IS GOING TO MAKE AN IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE? THE POINT HAS BEEN PROVED.
THIS IS A TYPICAL VAIN ATTEMPT TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THE REST OF THE BOOK WHICH IS ALSO AS WELL AS THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE INCLUDES MOUNTAINS OF ADMISSIONS OF DISAPPOINTED EVOLUTIONISTS THEMSELVES OF IT’S INVALIDITY.
SO TRUE IS MY POINT THAT WHY DO THEY IN DEMOCRATIC FASHION NOT INTRODUCE THE ATLAS TO THE MAINSTREAM?
THE REASON IS SIMPLE AS PEOPLE ON MASS WILL COME TO KNOW OF THE DECEPTION AND RETURN TO BELIEVE IN GOD – THE VERY LAST THING THAT THE CURRENTLY DOMINANT SECULAR AGENDA DRIVEN SYSTEM WANT.
NO ONE WHO COMES TO KNOW OF THE DECEPTION CAN SINCERELY BELIEVE IN IT ANY LONGER.
IF ANYONE INSISTS IT IS CLEARLY WISHFUL THINKING –
A VAIN ENDEAVOUR AS IT IS ALL OVER
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Give it up Joe.
Harun Yahya is a former interior decorator that can’t tell the difference between a fly and a fishing lure (he actually had a picture of a fishing lure in his book, and called it a fly).
What a dumb ass Yahya is.
AL,
I WILL CANE YOU ON ANY SITE YOU MAKE AN APPEARANCE.
A FEW MISTAKES IN A 700 HUNDRED PAGE BOOK DOES NOT DISCREDIT IT.
THE REST IS MORE THEN ENOUGH TO PROVE THAT EVOLUTION DID NOT HAPPEN.
CLEARLY IT IS YOU THAT IS THE DUMB ASS!
Unfortunately Joe it wasn’t just a few pictures was it. Yahya also selectively quotes mines Crick, DMS Watson, Karl Popper, T. Neville George, Harold Urey, H.S. Lipson, David Kitts, Steven Stanley, George Gaylord Simpson amongst others.
Do you want me to actually post the quotations again as I did on the Richard Dawkins site to show how he deliberately lies and deceives when it comes to extracting material from these authors?
You have no integrity Joe. You were shown these quotations on the RD.net site and now you are dragging out the same material on other sites as though nothing had happened.
to all concerned,
have a look to see on the site al and epeeist have mentioned and see for yourselves if OVERALL i have not proven my point.
They also failed to tell you that from the very beginning they engaged in mockery and insults and how i treated them by comparison is nothing.
All of the points in that list i have thorougly dealt with in great detail, to which they could only respond with insults, mockery and verbal acrobatics.
If people want to see Joe’s comments they can find them at http://richarddawkins.net/userComments,page1,45787
One of the things I find interesting is that there Joe is able to come to sites like this and make whatever remarks he likes. However, when I asked him why I could not post on sites that he was advocating, such as scienceislam.com, he claimed that if they did allow posting they would be vandalised by trolls…
No,
The reasons why you cannot post on some muslim sites is because of the vile, vulgar language and insults that are thrown at the Prophet.
What i have said to these individuals is to do the following:
Debate the muslims LIVE on any stage on topics like (1)
evolution: fact or fiction – dawkins against Hrun Yahya’s team
(2) Misconception on Islam
(3) Qu’ran and Modern Science – DR zakir naik/jamal badawi versus dawkins or whoever they like.
But none of these individuals have the courage to do so and even if they did the secular establishment would not allow it.
Whenever top Muslim scholars have debated on these subjects
they have always beeb successful in proving their case.
On the site you have been referred to you will see that i have presented my case with a mountain of evidence to which tthe only responese has largely been lies and vain mockery.
lol this Joe is funny.
But on the other hand people should take it seriously that people are being duped by this load of crap that Harun Yahya and his like (“dr” Zakir Naik, Yusuf Estes etc.) is producing. It seems this kind of stories (“qur’an-miracles” and denial of evolution) has a strong hold in many muslims around the world. As I say they left their brains at the door when going into the religious supermarket. It’s as stupid as the people seeing Jesus in different objects, or Allah written in a fish or the like.
The different huge errors which have already been displayed is a perfect example of the level of this issue.
It’s kindda sad actually.
Dawkins Declines to Debate with Creationists, Because He Has No Answer to Give!
Richard Dawkins has responded to our request for a face-to-face debate: “I HAVE VOWED NOT TO DEBATE,” he says. What this actually means is, “I have been defeated on the subject of Darwinism. I have no intention of debating with anyone and being humiliated.”
But it is not clear exactly what he has vowed by. He has obviously not vowed by Allah, since he says he does not believe in Him. There is no doubt he would lose any debate. It is also clear that he will continue to mislead people with no knowledge of Darwinism. Sooner or later, however, these people come to realise that Darwinism is a deception when they visit Harun Yahya’s web sites and finally see the truth. And they will also continue to do so in the future, by Allah’s leave.
For the last 150 years Darwinists have been utterly terrified of one thing: the exposure of their lies! They strive with all the means at their disposal to prevent the exposure of the fraudulent nature of the theory of evolution, which they have desperately tried to keep alive as an unshakeable ideology, a religion, ever since Darwin’s time. In order to maintain this lie they resort to hoaxes, exhibit fake fossils in museums, hurriedly conceal all fossils unearthed (because these refute the theory of evolution), and employ demagoguery to answer all those many subjects for which the theory of evolution cannot account. In order to maintain this lie, they have bestowed a kind of immunity on the theory of evolution. So much so that evolution has become unquestionable and undeniable in schools, universities, workplaces, institutions of one kind or another, and even in the highest levels of the state. Although it is only a theory, evolution has been made a law which all young people have to know and abide by and which has to be protected by means of official laws and included in the official curriculum.
But what Darwinists most feared has now become a reality, and their deception has been exposed. Darwinist hoaxes have suddenly been exposed through the activities of Harun Yahya, and by his Atlas of Creation in particular. People have realised that Darwinists have attempted to hide more than 100 million fossils, and that all of these are fully-formed and flawless specimens, hundreds of millions of years old, of life forms, most of which are still in existence today. The lifting of the Darwinist spell has had an explosive impact all over the world.
It was under these conditions that Richard Dawkins, one of the most dyed-in-the-wool proponents of the theory of evolution and nicknamed “Darwin’s Rottweiler,” was invited to take part in a public debate. He was asked whether or not he was able to refute the evidence demolishing Darwinism and how he would defend the theory in the face of the proofs of Creation.
But Dawkins declined to enter into any debate! We received a response from Dawkins to our request for a face-to-face debate: “I HAVE WOWED NOT TO DEBATE.” What this actually means is, “I have been defeated on the subject of Darwinism. I have no intention of debating with anyone and being humiliated.”
Of course Richard Dawkins cannot enter into any such debate, because he will be unable to answer the questions put to him:
He will be unable to account for the more than 100 million fossils that have been unearthed and point to the existence of perfect and flawless life forms. He will be unable explain how it is that THEY HAVE REMAINED UNCHANGED FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS and why THEY HAVE NOT ANY FORERUNNER WITH INTERMEDIATE FORM CHARACTERISTICS.
He will be unable to explain, as he has been unable to in the past, why THERE IS NOT A SINGLE INTERMEDIATE FORM among all the many millions of fossils that have been unearthed.
He will be unable to account for the fossil skulls, millions of years old, that are identical to present-day tigers, horses, elephants, turtles, wolves, birds, rabbits, foxes, zebras, deer and other life forms, in terms of the theory of evolution. He will be unable to explain how it is that life forms appeared MILIONS OF YEARS AGO WITH THE SAME APPEARANCE THEY STILL HAVE TODAY and HOW THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS.
He would have to admit that the horse series, Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Haeckel’s drawings, dinosaur fossils with feathers stuck on them and peppered moths pinned to tree trunks ARE ALL HOAXES.
He would have to admit that the fossils, numbering no more than a handful, that Darwinists have portrayed as intermediate forms have all been scientifically discredited, THAT THE FOSSIL OF A PERFECTLY FORMED FLYING BIRD CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH ARCHAEOPTERYX, depicted as an example of the transition from land to air, HAS BEEN DISCOVERED, THAT THE COELACANTH, which they cited as an example of the transition from water to land, IS STILL LIVING TODAY, and THAT LUCY HAS GONE DOWN IN HISTORY AS AN APE.
He will have no answer to the question of WHY THEY HID AWAY Cambrian fossils, living fossils that were unearthed subsequently, and finally 100 million fossils that exist today.
He will have nothing to say on the subject of the probability of a single functional protein, the building blocks of life, emerging by chance is just 1 in 10-950, and that in mathematical terms this means zero possibility. He will be unable to explain how life could have formed as a result of coincidences when not even a single cell can be manufactured under laboratory conditions.
HE WILL BE UNABLE TO EXPLAIN WHO ACTUALLY SEES THE IMAGE IN THE BRAIN although there is no light either outside or inside that brain. NEITHER WILL HE BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHO HEARS sounds, speech and music within the sound-proof brain. AND HE WILL HAVE NO ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF WHO IT IS THAT TAKES PLEASURE FROM, INTERPRETS AND REACTS TO THE IMAGES, MUSIC, TACTILE SENSATIONS AND SCENTS IN THE BRAIN.
All these facts make it perfectly clear why Richard Dawkins is reluctant to take part in any debate. Rather than embarrassing himself on subjects regarding which all his claims have collapsed and which he can never answer, he thinks he has found a way out by saying “I have vowed not to debate.”
Under such circumstances, the side that resorts to demagoguery because it tells falsehoods employs another demagogic tactic by claiming that the other side is solely concerned with publicising itself. This tradition is still being adhered to today, and Dawkins maintains that Creationists have asked for a debate for reasons of show. What he forgets, however, is this: The desired wide-ranging publicity and presentation HAVE ALREADY TAKEN PLACE THROUGH THE ATLAS OF CREATION. The world has been introduced to 100 MILLION FOSSILS. IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED THAT THESE ARE PROOFS OF CREATION. It is therefore ludicrous to maintain that any minor debate would serve as publicity. The debate is important in terms of showing the whole world, in Dawkins’ own words, that he is mistaken. The world is already well aware that the theory of evolution and Dawkins’ claims have collapsed and been totally uprooted.
The sad truth for Darwinists is that the concrete evidence, fossils in other words, cannot be denied. What they never expected was for all fossils to prove the fact of Creation and that these fossils, hidden away so carefully from the public gaze, would one day be shown to the world and have a truly stunning impact on it. They have been totally silenced by the shock impact of the Atlas of Creation. Demagoguery is now meaningless since the concrete evidence has been brought out into the daylight. That is also the reason for Dawkins’ shock. It certainly seems impossible for him to agree to a debate in the face of all this evidence that all the world has seen
RICHARD DAWKINS SEEMS TO HAVE CAUGHT THE HOOK!
Harun Yahya’s including a picture of a model insect alongside a fossil caddis fly in his Atlas of Creation was an excellent thing from his point of view. The insect, a model of which appears in the Atlas, is in any case still living today. Living specimens are identical in appearance to the model. There are pictures of the living insect all over the internet. There is also no such picture in other editions of the book, and original pictures of the insect are provided instead. Dawkins seized in this as an error and published it on his web site. In the wake of that, various newspapers and websites that imagined this to be a great discovery immediately carried the report on Dawkins’ web site. The fact is, however, that contrary to what Dawkins thinks, the issue is not one that works against Harun Yahya. The Atlas of Creation was about how an insect living today, pictures of which can be obtained from a great many sites on the internet, has never changed over the last 25 million years. THANKS TO DAWKINS, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE NOW VISITED THE ATLAS OF CREATION WEB SITE, AND HAVE LEARNED HOW THIS ORGANISM HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.
Fred K, Joe Morreals, Jamshed Kunnoth or Moidu, lets face it you’re just a sock puppet for your lord and master of ignorance, Adnan Oktar. He’s no messiah “He’s a very stupid boy!” to paraphrase Monty Python.
I can’t believe how far away from reality Adnan Oktar gets. He doesn’t even write the books attributed to him. He has zero knowledge of evolution or molecular biology. He has little knowledge of the Quran even.
In a debate with Dawkins he’d get floored after two minutes, since Oktar’s understanding of zoology, biology and science in general is minimal. So why would Dawkins even bother to refute someone with the infantile naivety of Adnan Oktar?
Oktar’s ego is bigger than Jupiter, since he thinks that president Obama would want to interview him. And he seems to think that scientific journals hail him as a hero.
What Oktar needs is to get into a debate about what kind of therapy he needs to cure him of his megalomania and delusions of grandeur.
Zaki:)
Posted by Joe “hot for my mad mahdi” Morreale
“THE QU’RAN WHICH IS THE LAST AND FINAL REVELATION/GUIDANCE TO MANKIND PROVES THAT GOD EXISTS AND THAT IT IS HIS WORD”
Judging by the petty insecure parochial nature of some suras in the Quran I’d say that it is definately the work of petty insecure and parochial men. As divine as dogshit.
“Who says so?
ADMISSIONS OF NON-MUSLIM SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES ON: SCIENCEISLAM.COM”
If all the scientists in the universe told me this I’d have to ask for evidence, which would show, that the Quran is not the word of some deity. And that those scientists were either mad or under duress.
“AND NO VERBAL ACROBATICS OR REFERRING TO COWBOY SOURCES OR SITES CAN CHANGE THAT.”
So why are you referring to cowboy sources and sites like ALL the Harun Yahya webshit? Is it because you are a credulous lackey of this con man? Is he letting you have women after he has blackmailed then into his bed, or are you so stupid you actually believe his unsubstantiated bullshit?
“IT IS A VAIN AND FUTILE ENDEAVOUR”
I agree your spamming for your mad mahdi shows that you completely lack any logic, rationality or self esteem.
Joe Morreale you are the saddest loser I’ve ever encountered on the net. And thats saying something.