The anti-evolution creationists often bristle at being characterized as “anti-science”. They are insulted. Why they aren’t “anti-science” at all. They’re just anti-“bad”-science. They support “good” science and have no problem with it, so they say. And they know the difference
We see these objections to being characterized as anti-science all of the time on one of the internet’s “premier” gathering places for anti-evolution creationists, Free Republic (FR). The Dishonesty… err, umm … the Discovery Institute, ICR, AiG, the discredited Dover School Board members, and the rest of the anti-evolution crowd aren’t much different. None of them are anti-science. How dare you say they are.
The fact is, their hatred of evolution, science, and anyone that challenges their attacks on Evolution is one of the only things that keeps them together. If not for that, they’d probably be calling each other idiots and morons while slitting each others throats, ripping each others hearts out, and condemning each other to eternal damnation. That’s why some anti-evolution forums need special rules for their religion sub-forum “discussions” and “debates”. LOL.
Each group of anti-evolution creationists attacks science in their own way for their own reasons. In some cases that should read “each individual anti-evolution creationist”. Most of them don’t agree with each other on many of their religious beliefs and superstitions and on what is and is not “good” science. The geocentrists, the YECs, the OECs, and the IDers are some of the obvious divisions, and there are many, many subdivisions — probably even more than there are Christian sects.
Each of them picks and chooses and attacks the parts of accepted and established science that they think challenges their dearly held religious beliefs and superstitions. The geocentrists attack more of established science than the rest. The YECs come in a very close second, attacking physics, chemistry, astronomy, genetics, geology, anthropology, and many other sciences in addition to biology. The OECs don’t really know what science they accept and don’t. They just think the notion of a 6000 year old earth is obviously nutty and some of evolutionary theory is probably true. They don’t want to look foolish, so they are more moderate in their attacks. The IDers, the ones at the Dishonesty Institute at any rate, try to stay above all of this because they want to be much more selective in where they attack established science. The DI IDers restrict their attacks to evolution, generally, and in many cases they try to be specific about it (flagellums and IC, for instance).
Basically, it’s a great big disparate conglomeration and coalition of kooks, cranks, crack pots, assorted religious extremists, and pseudo-science promoting charlatans with widely varying and conflicting religious beliefs and superstitions who have beefs with some part(s) of established science, mostly for religious reasons. In some cases they are just con men and hucksters out to make a buck off the foolish and gullible. In many cases, the basis for their attacks goes beyond religious beliefs into a general anti-intellectualism. Each of them individually tries to refute and challenge whatever parts of science they don’t like for whatever reasons.
Yet they all bristle, become flustered, and vehemently deny it when they are lumped together and collectively characterized as anti-science. Each of them thinks this is inaccurate in their particular case because each of them agrees with and promotes whatever parts of science do not conflict with their religious beliefs and superstitions — that is, the parts of science they “choose” to accept based on their essentially arbitrary religious and/or superstitious criteria. They are just presenting another point of view, you see, and the only reason 99.9+% of the world’s scientists ignore them is because they are “godless athi-evos”, or something like that. Oh, and they are all going to hell and will suffer for eternity – pass the BBQ sauce.
The thing is, the various members of the anti-evolution mob rarely, if ever, challenge the other creationists about the science they choose to accept or reject. They are rarely ever critical of each other about the science they say is “good” or “bad”. In the rare cases they are there’s a mildly dissenting comment (“well, I don’t buy the earth is 6000 years old”) followed immediately by an olive branch (“but if it works for you, shrug, and Praise the Lord”), and then it’s dropped. Now there’s some hard hitting constructively critical scientific analysis and argument for you. Personally, I’ve rarely seen even that on FR, or anywhere else.
And yet the YECs reject an awful lot of established science. If the IDers and OECs were true to their claims to be science “supporters”, they’d disown and distance themselves from the YECs. They don’t. And then there are people with no real education who wield red crayons and think they are smart enough to challenge hundreds of years of work done by dedicated hard working scientists by simply drawing red circles on photos of skulls, pointing, and saying “Look! Look! Look! It’s fake! It’s fake!” (and yes, I have really seen this done, on many occasions). But you won’t see a challenge to the YECs’ 6000 year old earth coming from people like that either.
Well, if they are all “science supporters” where they think the science is “good”, where they think science has it right, and where they think the science is solid, why aren’t they challenging the other anti-evolution creationists where they disagree on what is and is not “good” solid science? How can the DI IDers, who claim to support almost all of established science, stand to see the YECs trash centuries of solid science and say nothing about it?
It’s because all of their objections to science are religion based and they don’t really care about science at all. If they truly are science supporters, I challenge those among them who claim they are not anti-science and who do not think the earth is 6000 years old to take on the YECs, as enthusiastically and aggressively as they challenge the “evos”, for trashing centuries of solid science. Of course, it will never happen. And that’s because they don’t really care about science at all, much less about “good” science. They are just defending their privately held religious beliefs and superstitions against what they view as challenges from science.
And that’s why they are all anti-science.
I once made a comment to a creationist who claimed to “have an interest in science.” I think that my response to that is actually appropriate to any creationist who makes such an absurd claim:
“A creationist claiming to have an interest in science is like Ted Bundy claiming to have an interest in women. It may be true, but it is not a healthy interest.”
British journalist Bryan Appleyard has written an article on Darwinian evolution for The Sunday Times which is straight out of the creationist textbook.
The article quotes appovingly from creationists, including Answers in Genesis, and reprises the familiar creationist arguments that evolution cannot explain the eye, that there aren’t enough genes to explain human complexity, and evolution caused Nazi eugenics and other social ills.
Why the vitriol here? How can anyone be “anti-science” when scientific understanding of our world is so prevelant in society? We know quite a bit about gravity, light, water, air, and soil thanks to science. Surely we accept the science of botany and biology without necessarily getting into deep discussions about origins.
The point is that creationists (and non-theological ID-er’s)should not be characterized as “anti-science.” We’re just anti-Darwinism. In my experience, Darwinists are the most “anti” people around. They absolutely insist that THEIR theory, which has not a shred of evidence to support it and a ton of evidence against it, is the ONLY way species originated. Their dogmatic control of government school curricula and thought patterns is so complete that public school children never have an opportunity to take a serious look at the flaws in the theory and the embarrassingly fradulent nonsense the Darwinists trot out as “proof.”
I write about this in the form of a debate between a preacher and a lawyer in my new end-times novel, “Trouble in the House of Jacob.” View the web page if you wish at http://tinyurl.com/4d79yt.
Hale, you’d be surprised if you ever looked at the evidence instead of taking the tired creationist lies to heart. There is no such thing as Darwinism. In the 1700s, we discovered deep time and the history of geology. We found seashells on the tops of mountains. In the 1800s we observed fossils and realized that a new population was related to the previous one in the same land. In the 1900s, we found fossil sequences. That is, evolution was observed to happen. Darwin knew nothing of genetics although he saw plenty of selective breeding for traits. Darwin provided an ecological explanation of why: all kids aren’t the same, all kids don’t have the same number of kids, conditions change, different kids are successful, so frequency of characteristics in a population changes. Much later, Gregor Mendel’s rules of inheritance (for dominant and recessive traits) were re-discovered. Other mechanisms than selection were suggested (e.g. Lamarckism) but were disproved. In the 1930s, Lowry proved that DNA, not protein, carried genetic information. In the 1940s, the theory of evolution was combined with our new knowledge of genetics to form the Modern Synthesis. In the 1960s, we found that we could trace molecular evolution from organism to organism and calculate relatedness that and by the time needed for observed genetic drift in unused genes. In the 1980s, computer analysis generally confirmed trees of life that had been based on anatomy and intuition. Our growing understanding of how genes affect growth (EVOlutionary DEVelopment) told us how changes in body parts can be coordinated. Chemical evolution was observed. Evolution was simulated in computers by selecting for traits without specifying mechanisms. Evolution has been observed in laboratories and in the field. In 150 years, no one has come up with any solid evidence that would disprove evolution. Notice something? None of this is about God. None of it is about denying that Thor throws thunderbolts. It’s just looking for the truth.
Piltdown, you’re right of course. It’s all part of a “community of faith” attitude – which means “I won’t point out your wackaloonery if you won’t point out mine.” It’s like the believers in fairies (but not ghosts) and believers in ghosts (but not fairies) agreeing that they’ll both insult a university for unfairly demanding evidence before they open a Department of Magical Biology.
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